In 2019, Daniel Fish’s bold new interpretation of the musical theatre classic Rodgers and Hammerstein’s Oklahoma! debuted on Broadway. Later that year the show won the Tony Award for Best Revival of a Musical. In October of 2021, casting for the National Tour was announced alongside tour dates across the US from November 2021 through October 2022. Just last week, as Oklahoma! prepares for their Music City debut on stage at TPAC’s Jackson Hall with shows Tuesday May 3 through Sunday, May 8, I got the chance to pose a few questions to cast members Benj Mirman and Christopher Bannow for the latest installment of my recurring interview feature, Rapid Fire 20Q.
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RAPID FIRE Q&A WITH BENJ MIRMAN, ALI HAKIM IN OKLAHOMA
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Who is Ali Hakim to you?
BENJ MIRMAN: A simple man. He loves the ladies, loves to make money and, perhaps unexpectedly, loves to dance.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Being part of the tour must feel like a bit of a full-circle moment for you, given the fact you played Ali Hakim in the 2015 workshop of director Daniel Fish’s Oklahoma that preceded this iteration’s Broadway run. Has your Ali changed, first from the original source material then to the 2015 presentation and on to Broadway and the tour?
BENJ MIRMAN: The 2015 Bard production was very much a full production but it’s been a joy to see how much our director, Daniel Fish, has really dug into his ideas. Choices that were bold in 2015 are all the more bolder and clearer now in our touring production. I’ve changed (and hopefully grown!) a lot as a person and actor since 2015, but Ali Hakim has always been the same Ali Hakim.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: When first presented at Bard College’s Fisher Center and then on Broadway at Circle in the Square, scenic designer Laura Jellinek’s set truly incorporated the audience into the action. By nature of the venues hosting the National Tour, the proximity between the actors and the audience isn’t physically possible. How has that challenge been addressed?
BENJ MIRMAN: It’s quite different, that’s for sure. I think one of the gifts of the proscenium is that the audience really has a chance to take in everything, all at once. Certainly the physical intimacy between actor and audience has changed, but my hope is that the intimacy of the production as a whole remains intact.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: From what I understand, this is your first National Tour. What’s the best aspect of being on the road?
BENJ MIRMAN: It’s a thrill to eat and drink my way through these new cities. I’m a tour newbie, so I’m surely doing some part of this experience “wrong”, but I’m having a great time just wandering around new places.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: As the world seems to be getting back to pre-pandemic normalcy, are there things you hope to do or see while on tour across the country?
BENJ MIRMAN: I would love to go see more performances while we are on the road (specifically live music but open to all!). The COVID anxiety of being at small venues that don’t necessarily have COVID protocols in place can be a bit stressful with our testing regimen. I look forward to that worry going away!
JHPENTERTAINMENT: If you could step into another role, even if just for one night, and regardless of whether you fit the type or not, what character would it be and why?
BENJ MIRMAN: I’m not qualified for a variety of reasons, but it’s Curly for me. I’m a sucker for all the songs he sings (and the cue to the green lights in “Surrey…”). I couldn’t hold a candle to my good pal Sean Grandillo, but maybe he could teach me a couple guitar chords just for fun.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: As far as Broadway National Tours go, the company of Oklahoma is relatively small. Has that enabled a better sense of family amongst the cast while preparing for the tour and now that you’re on the road?
BENJ MIRMAN: I’m very grateful that our group is so small. It really does feel like this rag tag, motley crew. I’ve been able to spend quality time with the vast majority of our company and I’m not sure that would’ve been the case if there were 30 of us.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Ali Hakim takes the lead on It’s a Scandal! It’s a Outrage! lamenting Ali’s predicament of being forced into marriage. Grammatical titular error aside, what’s your favorite aspect of performing in this particular number?
BENJ MIRMAN: Somewhere on the internet, there’s a linguistics podcast discussing the title of the song…not sure what it’s called but it’s out there. I love connecting with both the audience and my castmates during the song, really trying to find someone who truly understands Ali’s frustration and plight.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Speaking of Ali’s proposed pending intended, who much fun are you having sharing scenes with Sis as Ado Annie Carnes?
BENJ MIRMAN: I’m having a wonderful time. One of the strengths of this production is we are all encouraged to bring ourselves to our roles and that means that Ado Annie is strong, funny, opinionated and not a pushover. We have good fun up there.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Is there a message, or an idea within the context of this update of Oklahoma that you hope audiences remember long after the wind has swept down the plain?
BENJ MIRMAN: It’s okay to leave the theater asking questions and it’s okay to be uncomfortable with what’s happening in front of you.
RAPID FIRE Q&A WITH CHRISTOPHER BANNOW, JUD FRY IN OKLAHOMA
JHPENTERTAINMENT: You play Jud in the National Tour of director Daniel Fish’s boldly reimagined Oklahoma. Who is Jud Fry?
CHRISTOPHER BANNOW: He’s the poorest person on stage, and he’s an employee. He works as a farmhand, he lives in a smokehouse on the farm, he’s been working hard day and night for two years, and he just wants to be with Laurey and finally have a meaningful relationship in his life. He wants his life to have some meaning, and the action of the play shows what happens to him when he tries to make that a reality.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Prior to being cast as Jud in the tour, you appeared in the Tony-winning Broadway revival understudying a multitude of roles, including Jud. Now that you’ve taken on the role full-time, are their nuances of the character that you’ve discovered or now elaborate on?
CHRISTOPHER BANNOW: Yeah it’s been a gift to have both perspectives. There’s so much I was able to learn watching Patrick Vaill do it on Broadway. Watching him change and grow in the role from the outside really gave me a solid foundation to work from. It supplied me with a bunch of options that I knew worked. And being on the inside now, I’m able to marry some of those options with things I’ve found organically. I’ve been interested recently in Jud’s lack of action in the show. He asks Laurey to go to the Box Social, he tries to bid on her hamper, and then the play takes a turn. But before that, for the first 2/3rds of the show, he really is doing nothing wrong. The way that the other characters treat him in those first 2/3rds, the harshness they treat him with, really is not congruent with his actions. So feeling those first 2/3rds of the play catalyze the final 1/3rd has been a recent discovery.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: You made your Broadway debut in the 2014 revival of The Elephant Man which starred Bradley Cooper and Patricia Clarkson. What do you remember about the first time you stepped out onto the Broadway stage?
CHRISTOPHER BANNOW: I remember being backstage with Bradley, we both entered from the same place more or less. And for his first entrance he was shirtless and wearing rags and basically had a bag over his head, but there we were, just so excited, he and I were equally pumped,, and we were both just geeking out together at how cool this moment in time was. And when I entered the stage and I saw all those bodies crammed so closely together and the energy of a sold out house on Broadway, I felt like I was where I was supposed to be.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: While your career focus has been on stage as of late, you also have experience behind the scenes, having assistant directed a couple of productions during your undergrad years at Boston University’s College of Fine Arts. Do you think your experiences behind the scenes have helped your performance on stage?
CHRISTOPHER BANNOW: Most definitely. At BU I assistant directed, and then at Yale I directed two or three productions. I really love that side of it, and who knows maybe that will be a bigger part of my life at some point. But absolutely, understanding the needs of a director is a huge asset for an actor. The director needs to figure out how to tell the story, so that an audience can receive it as fully as possible. There are 1,000’s of options within any given play, and the job of the director and actor is to figure out which version of the story both parties find most compelling. If you can help the director do that, you become sort of a VIP and people will want to have you in the room.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: As you mentioned you followed your BFA at Boston with an MFA from Yale School of Drama. Among your coursework there, you studied Speech/Dialect and Stage Combat. I’m guessing both those classes are coming in pretty handy in your current role as Jud?
CHRISTOPHER BANNOW: You know I’ve never fired a gun in real life, and probably never will. But onstage I have fired many firearms, I’ve punched so many people, I’ve had a couple of duels, and I’ve been thrown around like a paper doll. Rick Sordelet works nonstop over the country and he was our Stage Combat teacher and I really value the time I had with him there. And speech work is so important, and although I don’t warm up as much as I should I still have recordings from speech guru Beth McGuire from 2nd year at Yale that I play every now and then to keep in shape.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: As Jud, you share several scenes with Sasha Hutchings’ Laurey, who was also part of the Broadway production. What’s the best thing about Sasha as a scene partner?
CHRISTOPHER BANNOW: Sasha is the definition of a professional. She shows up every night and never holds back and is always in pursuit of the best possible version of the show. We both understudied on Broadway and so we know that these roles are a huge responsibility and a privilege to be trusted with, and it can’t be taken for granted. She’s really wonderful. Everyone should hire her.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: While Jud is enamored by Laurey, he’s hindered by Curley, played by Sean Gandillo. The two of you are featured in the show’s most volatile scenes. How do you prepare for the gravity of those scenes night after night?
CHRISTOPHER BANNOW: You know a lot of that has to do with our trust in each other. I enter the stage at the very top of the show and listen for about an hour before Sean and I start going in our scene. It’s a huge gift for me that I can be fully present in everything else that is happening on stage and then instantly when Sean and I make eye contact we begin. There’s no prep or warning, there’s no run up. We both take a breath and see where the scene takes us every night. And when we exit we always give each other a little hug. I super appreciate his willingness to be vulnerable with such heavy material.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Speaking of Curley. Near the end of Act 1, Curley comes up with an interesting way to eliminate his competition as laid out in Poor Jud is Daid. What’s your favorite aspect of this particular number?
CHRISTOPHER BANNOW: Mmm yeah. Well for anyone who sees the show they’ll know that it’s both a very private and very public moment. My job every night is to stay grounded in the privateness of it, the intimacy of it, and listen to Sean and be present with him. It’s easier said than done but I love the challenge of it.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Jud’s main musical moment comes with Lonely Room. The revival’s musical arranger, Daniel Kluger’s work during this number is among my favorite in the show as it seamlessly transitions from melancholy to angst-ridden determination. Is there a particular musical moment—your’s or someone else’s—that you truly love hearing each performance?
CHRISTOPHER BANNOW: Yeah I really love Lonely Room too, I never get tired of going through that journey. But in addition to that moment I really love hearing the entire cast (sans me) sing Oklahoma the first time. I’m the only one offstage and I can’t really see what’s happening but I can hear everyone’s voices and the blending of melodies and the energy as it ramps up and the true celebration of the moment that really shines through in that song. This cast really sounds good together and it’s a joy to get to be on the receiving end.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Is there a message, a vibe or a feeling you hope audiences take with them after seeing Oklahoma?
CHRISTOPHER BANNOW: The vibe I hope you take away is Rodgers and Hammerstein meets America 2022 meets You.
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Rodgers and Hammerstein’s Oklahoma! premieres in Nashville at TPAC’s Jackson Hall Tuesday, May 3 with performances thru Sunday, May 8. CLICK HERE for tickets.
Not in Nashville? Oklahoma! continues its North American Tour with dates across the US through the fall. CLICK HERE for show dates and locations or follow Oklahoma! on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram.
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