When I heard my friend Joy Tilley Perryman was once again portraying Sordid Lives’ Noleta Nethercott—this time in Theatre of Gadsden’s production at The Ritz (310 North 27th Street, Gadsden, Alabama)—I knew I had to chat with her, having seen (and loved) her previous turn as Noleta in Nashville back in 2013. It was a nice added surprise when I learned that one of her costars this go-round is Billy Jenkins as Brother Boy, having gotten the chance to chat with him recently for a previous Rapid Fire 20Q. Add to that the chance to get to speak to Kathleen Jensen, who’s playing Juanita Bartlett, one of my all-time favorite characters, and I was fully in!
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Rapid Fire with Theatre of Gadsden’s Sordid Lives’ stars Billy Jenkins, Kathleen Jensen and Joy Tilley Perryman
Rapid Fire with Billy Jenkins, Brother Boy in Theatre of Gadsden’s Sordid Lives
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Who is Earl “Brother Boy” Ingram?
BILLY JENKINS: Brother Boy Ingram is a gay, cross dressing, Tammy Wynette female impersonator, who was wrongly put into a mental institution by his mother because he was beaten up for being gay. Brother Boy represents what all gay men have experienced: bullying, defamation, a search for identity, and a search for belongingness in a world where being bullied for being gay isn’t a crime, where defamation of a gay person is not considered taboo, where our search for identity seems like a never-ending process, and where our search for belongingness, if we are lucky, ends in a place of happiness.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Billy, I gotta admit, when Joy and I first talked about me doing a Rapid Fire 20Q with you Sordid Lives folks, I was excited to get to chat with you again, having previously featured you in conversation about your participation in Joy’s Jubilations presentation of Listen to Your Mother. In that interview you talked about your late mother a bit. Gotta ask. What would your Mom make of Brother Boy?
BILLY JENKINS: Well, first of all, my mom never saw me in any production (unless you count my first grade play where I was a funny valentine), because she passed away when I was 21 and it wasn’t until after her passing that I got involved in theater. As far as what she would think about Brother Boy….. first of all, she’d be impressed that her baseball playing, high school football playing son could walk and run in stiletto heels. Secondly, I think she’d be proud of my character because Brother Boy’s character is NOT how I act in real life. I had to study his mannerisms very hard and dig a little to find this character. And lastly, I think she’d be like Latrelle in the show, where she always knew that I was gay since I was a little boy. You see, I was my mom’s favorite of her six children, and like Ty and Latrelle in the show, I think her knowing that I was different was what bonded us.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Of course I can’t take about Brother Boy without thinking of Leslie Jordan, who created the role on stage, the big screen and in the Sordid Lives tv series. I was fortunate to have gotten to know Leslie over the years. Knowing that role is such an iconic role, particularly to the LGBTQIA+ community, is there an extra sense of getting the balance of humor and heart just right?
BILLY JENKINS: OMG!!! So much pressure! When I first watched the movie, I fell in love with Leslie Jordan and his talent. I have always wanted to do this role. Many guys in theater dream of being Jan Val Jean or The Phantom, but I remember seeing Leslie Jordan’s genius and setting my goal of playing this role at least once in my life. I am PROUD to play this role as a member of the LGBTQIA+ community. This role not only personifies what gay people had to endure 25 years ago, it solidifies the idea that being gay doesn’t mean we need to be locked up in a looney bin. This role is significant because it represents a “stereotype” of what people think being gay means, but in reality, we come in all shapes, sizes, attitudes, and mannerisms and accepting those differences (even within the gay community) leads to a more unified and coherent community. Getting the balance between what needs to be funny and what audiences need to take seriously is tricky, but doable.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Brother Boy is a legend (in his own mind at least) for this portrayals of his Country Queens, Tammy, Loretta and Dolly. If you were to do a music tribute yourself, who would you honor and why?
BILLY JENKINS: I am finding out very quickly that I was NEVER meant to do drag. My feet hurt in heels, makeup takes too long, and my undergarments are extremely uncomfortable. With that being said, I don’t think I could ever do a female musical tribute (I might make an exception for Dolly, though) but if I had to pick, I’d say Johnny Cash. He was a musical genius, down to earth, and his music is still going strong. I do have to mention that I’m like a fifth cousin to Conway Twitty (Harold Jenkins), so I hope he doesn’t roll over in his grave because I picked Johnny Cash.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Aside from a smile on their faces and side-splitting laughter, what theme, idea or thought do you hope audiences take away after seeing Theatre of Gadsden’s Sordid Lives?
BILLY JENKINS: I hope all mommas who have gay sons walk away from the show as a proud momma of a gay son. I hope all gay men who are ashamed of who they are walk away from the show being proud of who they are. I hope all bullies who have ever bullied someone because they are gay walk away from the show with regret of having ever done so. I hope all fathers who have told their sons that real men don’t cry walk away from the show knowing that crying doesn’t make you less of a man. And, I hope all people walk away from the show realizing that family is family and no matter what our differences are, families need to love each other.
Rapid Fire with Kathleen Jensen, Juanita Bartlett in Theatre of Gadsden’s Sordid Lives
JHPENTERTAINMENT: I understand this is your first time doing a show with Theatre of Gadsden. How much fun are you having so far?
KATHLEEN JENSEN: I am having a blast! It’s been since 2020 that I’ve been on stage. Wow, have I missed it!
JHPENTERTAINMENT: While this is your first time playing Juanita and your first show with Theatre of Gadsden, this isn’t your first foray into the world of Del Shores. Having met Del a time or two, was there anything he’s said that you’ve now put into practice as you approach the role of Juanita?
KATHLEEN JENSEN: I have worked with Del on a few occasions at TNT with his one man show. He also saw a production of “Daddy’s Dyin’ Who’s Got The Will”. The one thing that he has always stressed is that these are real people, not just characters.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: One of my favorite of Juanita’s scenes involves a story about a particular childhood craft project, “Ol Cock-a-doodle”. Were you a crafty kid and is there any evidence anywhere around or did your crafts go the way of Juanita’s beloved rooster art?
KATHLEEN JENSEN: I was a very crafty kid! Some of it went the way of ol cockadoodle, but when I cleaned out my mom’s house I was surprised to find more than a few pieces still in existence. One was a framed paint by number of a horse. I have it in my home now.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: The tagline for Sordid Lives is: “A black comedy about white trash”. There’s something a little white trash in all of us. What about you? What’s the most unashamed white trash thing about yourself?
KATHLEEN JENSEN: Just because I like PBR draft don’t mean I’m white trash! LOL
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Another great Juanita scene involves the art of reapplying her lipstick while never removing the cigarette from her lips. Have you mastered this unique ability as well?
KATHLEEN JENSEN: I’ve spent time working on it. I guess you’ll have to come to the show to find out!
Rapid Fire with Joy Tilley Perryman, Noleta Nethercott in Theatre of Gadsden’s Sordid Lives
JHPENTERTAINMENT: You have a bit of history with Sordid Lives, having played Noleta in a production in Nashville that I was thrilled to have seen. Between that production and this iteration, are there aspects of Noleta’s character that you’ve discovered, or things that you’ve expanded upon in your portrayal of her?
JOY TILLEY PERRYMAN: That is a loaded one JHP. Between my last Noleta and this one I have lost the love of my life and I suppose that makes me even more aware of marriages. What makes good ones and what makes bad ones and why some people should never even try! G.W. and Noleta don’t have a good marriage but there was something there once upon a time. I think Noleta is grieving the demise of her marriage and I understand that grief all too well. This Noleta is sad in a way that I had not thought of in 2013.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: In addition to playing Noleta, you’ve also worked behind the scenes on costumes and wigs, right?
JOY TILLEY PERRYMAN: And props and set dressing. I made all the faux food that is on Sissy’s table and gathered all the 1 million lighters, compacts, and hankies that are in this show. I cannot however, take credit for Sissy’s fabulous wig. That would be the creation of my immensely talent friend, Molly Page.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: You likely know that I’ve known Sordid Lives’ creator, Del Shores for a couple decades now. You’ve also had the chance to meet him. What is it about Del and his writing that is so perfect?
JOY TILLEY PERRYMAN: I did know! And I have met him while taking one of his comedy masterclasses in Nashville. First, he, himself is so hysterically funny and just a Texas boy at heart. For me, his writing is so perfect because it so relatable. Now, you may not have left your two wooden legs in the middle of a hotel room floor and caused your lover’s demise, but we all have done things we deeply regret and wish we could take back. Or like Latrelle we are all living in a bit of denial. These are real people that we all know.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Del fully admits many of his characters are based on his actual family and friends from his days as a boy growing up in Winters, TX. If you were to write a play about your relatives, what would it be called and who would be the main character?
JOY TILLEY PERRYMAN: You know that I have already started this very thing. It’s working title is Granny’s Girls and a character very loosely based on my maternal Grandmother, Mildred Smith, is at the heart of it. In this her name is Granny Griggs.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Is Theatre of Gadsden ready for Sordid Lives?
JOY TILLEY PERRYMAN: They better question is, is Sordid Lives ready for Theatre of Gadsden? LOL! No, seriously, maybe so? I hope so? Or as Billy Ditty’s Grandmother used to say, “this is going to happen, whether they want it to or not”!
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Theatre of Gadsden’s Sordid Lives opens Friday, September 8 at The Ritz Theatre (310 North 27th Street, Gadsden, Alabama, 35904), and running through Sunday, September 17. Performances are Fridays and Saturdays at 7p.m. and Sundays at 2p.m. Door open 45 minutes before curtain. Tickets are $20/Adults, $18/Seniors/Students/Military. Groups of 10 or more $15/each. Groups of 20 or more $13/each. CLCK HERE to purchase tickets. For more info call 256.547.7469.
Up next at Theatre of Gadsden is Anne of Green Gables with shows October 7 at 2p.m. and 7p.m. and October 8 at 2p.m. Follow Theatre of Gadsden on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter for more details.
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