On June 27 and 28, Cat Eberwine and a group of area musicians, singers and actors will take to the stage of Mills-Pate Arts Center (7120 Old Nashville Hwy, Murfreesboro, TN) for the debut production from Eberwine’s Bucket List Inspirations. The evening, NEUROSPICY PLAYERS: UNMASKED, as the title might suggest, features a cast of creatives most of whom have been diagnosed as on the autism spectrum. It’s Eberwine’s hope that by featuring a cast of neurodivergent creatives, Bucket List Inspirations‘ production will not only entertain, but also educate and enlighten their audience while simultaneously raising awareness and money to further her mission. With just days before show’s open, I recently had the chance to chat with Eberwine and co for my latest Rapid Fire 20 Q. What follows are those conversations.
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RAPID FIRE 20Q WITH BUCKET LIST INSPIRATIONS’ NEUROSPICY PLAYERS: UNMASKED
RAPID FIRE WITH BUCKET LIST INSPIRATIONS FOUNDER, CAT EBERWINE
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Before we get into talking about the upcoming NEUROSPICY PLAYERS: UNMASKED event, let’s talk about your journey discovering you are on the autism spectrum. What made you even consider you might be on the spectrum and when were you fully diagnosed?
CAT EBERWINE: It was during a casual conversation while shopping with one of my closest friends early in 2023. Seemingly out of the blue, she started asking me questions that I later realized were on a list of typical traits of women with autism. After answering yes to most of them, she said, I think you may be on the spectrum. At the point of the conversation, I didn’t know a single woman who was autistic, and I knew very few males personally who were. Most of my knowledge of autism was of the media stereotypes. So, after we parted, I went home and went down a two hour rabbit hole of women with autism and created a 20 page Power Point with flow charts and outlines of other diagnosis that I was currently being treated for or felt I might have. It took me months of research online and conversations with providers and insurance companies and support lines and FINALLY was pointed to a local clinic who did evaluations an accepted my insurance, but it was still pretty expensive, and I had to drive to Knoxville because the Nashville branch appointments were so backed up. After a three part evaluation over the course of a couple of months, I was officially diagnosed in September 2023 thru Athena Care.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Once you received an official diagnosis, what advice were you given in dealing with such news?
CAT EBERWINE: “Keep it to yourself.” It was a journey for everyone around me and my family had a lot of patience, but none of us knew anything about it, so we were all starting at zero. I lost a therapist I really liked and had had for almost ten years because he “just didn’t see it”. “You’ve been married, you work”. “You don’t look autistic.” I had to find my own books. My first and favorite was Autism in Heels. It amazed me that this other woman had experienced so many of the same emotions and situations that made me feel so isolated all my life. Then I read another and another and a secret community began to emerge. Then I was reintroduced to Cat Burford, I had met her in 2022 but didn’t know she was also on the spectrum. We met for breakfast and had a great talk. We’ve been friends ever since, she’s really helped me a lot and is a great advocate for Autism Acceptance as well as being another member of the Neurospicy Players, an actor and a playwright.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Now, on to Bucket List Inspirations. What prompted you to create the organization?
CAT EBERWINE: I don’t tell short stories, but I’ll try to stay at 5,000 feet on this one and if we ever want to, we can get into more detail. After my diagnosis, I searched for local organizations, support groups, therapists, not only for autistic adults, but females with autism…and found next to nothing. In many of the books I was reading, authored by late in life diagnosed women who are in highly educated positions, a common theme after diagnosis was the desire to then do what they could to help other women (and girls) become more familiar with how autism presents in women and encouraging earlier and more accurate diagnosis. (see, it’s already becoming a long story). There were many traumas I survived throughout my life that I feel I could have avoided or had better tools to navigate (yes, I have PTSD), had I known more about how my brain was wired. That coupled with wanting to honor the memory of my friend Dave Davis, who would have been right by my side during this journey, gave birth to the foundation. Dave started Bucket List Productions for our production of Assassins in 2022, and since he was my inspiration, that’s where Bucket List Inspirations came from.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Bucket List Inspirations’ upcoming event NEUROSPICY PLAYERS: UNMASKED is a cabaret performance, but it’s also a fundraiser with a silent auction and a post performance Q&A. That seems like a lot right out of the gate. What was your thought process in debuting the organization in such a multi-level way and how will money raised during the event be used to further Bucket List Inspiration’s mission statement?
CAT EBERWINE: Because I can’t do anything halfway? I hate asking for money, and the more I talked about my autism the more people in my theatre family shared with me about their own diagnosis and I realized there were a lot of very talented people on the spectrum right here in our area. So I thought it would be a great way to highlight the wonderful talents and earn some the money we were asking for. The silent auction idea came from me looking for a template for what information I needed to put on the poster and I saw one that had a silent auction and I thought “ooohhhh, silent auction!”. Again, giving something in exchange for the money we are asking for. Someone in the cast suggested the Q&A and since our foundation is all about education (in an entertaining way), it seemed like a logical thing to do. As for thought process…it’s a lot of brainstorming…and being willing to go with the flow. To be honest, I’m scared to death it’s going to fail, which is a symptom of my diagnosis…perfectionism and a fear of failure…so I’m singing about it in the show.
As for the money, this first time around, I am hoping to cover my expenses from the last year of setting up the foundation, have enough to start producing our next show, and some left to pay someone to start developing the website. The website is the to be the hub of education and connection for Autism Education, Support, Social Activities, and celebrations of Autistic Artists and businesses owned by or supporting people with autism. We are focusing on 18 and over, but we want to start identifying seniors in high school and helping them with their transition to higher education. We have lots of great ideas, but it’s going to take a village and a bucket of gold at the end of my rainbow.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: What do you hope audiences take with them after having spent the evening at NEUROSPICY PLAYERS: UNMASKED?
CAT EBERWINE: A smile and a song in their heart? Maybe a cookie with our logo printed on it made by autism friendly bakery. And a few facts about autism that they never knew they never knew. But especially my eternal thanks for being a part of the birth of my dream.
RAPID FIRE WITH NEUROSPICY PLAYERS’ WILL LASLEY
JHPENTERTAINMENT: You were diagnosed as being on the spectrum in your twenties, while Cat and some of your other Neurospicy Players were diagnosed later in life. What do you perceive as an advantage of having been diagnoses at that time in your life?
WILL LASLEY: You know, it’s funny. I was diagnosed earlier, compared to them, but even still, it was later than ideal, which would have been during early childhood. But I never had a lot of trouble with eye contact as a kid, so at the time (late 90’s), they ruled out autism because that was considered such a make-or-break symptom. I do wish that we had real confirmation when I was a kid so that we could have known some level of what to expect and watch for. Now I have all this catching up to do with learning about myself and my community, but I suppose I don’t have maybe quite as much as those who find out even later than I did do, so if I had to name any particular advantage I may have, it would be that.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: How did you come to be part of Cat’s Neurospicy Players and this Unmasked benefit in particular?
WILL LASLEY: Well, Cat helped out with some of the shows I did with Act Too Players in my teens, so she really got to see me go through a lot of growth as a performer, and so I assume it came as no surprise to her when I got diagnosed. Then when SHE later got diagnosed, I was one of a few friends of hers who she knew were autistic that she reached out to, and we talked about it, and then later on she tells me what she wants to do with Bucket List Inspirations, and I was honored to be asked. I’ve loved having been a part of each other’s journeys.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: You’ve been on stage since your early teens, having been amongst the young pool of talent to pass through the doors of Act Too Players as you indicated above. What’s your fondest memories of your time with the beloved Middle Tennessee youth theatre company?
WILL LASLEY: My favorite thing I ever got to do with Act Too was play SWEENEY TODD. That was the thrill of a lifetime, and it was HARD. Sondra Morton and Jayme Smith put me through the wringer on that one, but it’s still my favorite role I’ve ever done. I say this, pun very much intended, that I would kill to play that role again. I definitely feel like I could do it even better now, but getting to do it with Act Too was such an important step in my musical career.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: As someone with a physical disability myself, I was particularly moved by the section of your bio that says you wear your diagnosis with pride. With that mindset, have you found folks are more willing to ask questions, rather than assume things about your disability?
WILL LASLEY: I feel like, even though most people aren’t nearly as educated on autism as I wish they were, it’s a recognizable enough label that people will usually hear you out if you bring it to their attention. I’ve had plenty of people make ignorant assumptions when they find out I’m autistic, and they usually mean well, but I much prefer when people react by asking questions. I do really wish people would just instinctively listen to autistic people when it comes to matters of how we are treated. But you know, people always have to have an opinion whether they’re informed or not, so my hope is that talking more about more about autism will create a more informed public.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: What do you hope you and your costars achieve by presenting NEUROSPICY PLAYERS: UNMASKED?
WILL LASLEY: Obviously, first and foremost, I want people to be entertained, but I hope people will leave with plenty to think about and reflect on. There’s so much about autism that people either don’t know or have completely wrong, and if we can teach people about autism by doing what we already love doing, what more could we want?
RAPID FIRE WITH NEUROSPICY PLAYERS’ JOHNATHAN VEST
JHPENTERTAINMENT: How did you come to be part of Cat’s upcoming NEUROSPICY PLAYERS: UNMASKED event?
JOHNATHAN VEST: I saw Cat post something on a facebook group I had recently joined. It was a group for adults with a late autism diagnosis. I reached out to her as a fellow artist/creative, and we began a conversation that has now turned into a friendship.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: Like the other members of the company, you yourself have been diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum. When were you first diagnosed and how has that diagnosis helped you navigate your everyday personal and professional life?
JOHNATHAN VEST: I always thought that I might have ASD ever since the science and research was published about what they used to call Asperger’s Syndrome. But I figured it didn’t matter and as an adult, I had either “outgrown it” or “figured it out” If you will. (Hint: I had done neither of those things.) It was not until someone close to me was diagnosed with something similar that the dominos began to fall and I reached out for some testing.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: In addition to performing in the showcase, you’re also serving as music director for Neurospicy Players Unmasked. What’s been the most challenging/rewarding aspects of tackling that job for this show?
JOHNATHAN VEST: The most rewarding part is working with these talented artists, seeing their passion, and hearing their stories. As for the most challenging, well—you get a bunch of neurodivergent people with brilliant creative minds and circular story-telling on a Zoom call and tell me how that goes 🙂
JHPENTERTAINMENT: In preparation of chatting with you and your cast mates, Cat was kind enough to share the rundown of the show. Spoiler Alert: I love that you’ll be performing The Moon and St. Christopher, a song made popular by Mary Chapin Carpenter. Randomly, I saw Mary at 3rd and Lindsley just this past weekend…but back to my question…what is it about this song that prompted you to choose to perform it for UNMASKED?
JOHNATHAN VEST: I’m glad you know the song! I have always loved Mary Chapin Carpenter’s writing, and she really wrote some beautiful songs. This song is about going on a journey somewhere, and you really don’t know what you’re doing. You have no help, and you’re not even sure where you are going. The light of the moon and St. Christopher, the patron saint of travel, is all you have.
When I think about growing up with undiagnosed ASD, I now realize that I had no help. None of us did back then. If you were autistic back then you were Tommy the Pinball Wizard, and you “sure played a mean pinball” but you didn’t speak, showed little or no emotion, as if you were “locked inside yourself.” That wasn’t me. So I was just weird. So me, and everyone in the cast tonight, had to figure it out. Take the feedback we were given from our parents (not knowing how to help, or understanding they needed to) our peers (often cruel and soul-crushing) and others (often isolating us because of not knowing how to take us). All I had was a light and a prayer. I’m thankful I had them, though.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: I understand there’s a silent auction as part of the evening’s festivities, right?JOHNATHAN VEST: Yes, I hope everyone will consider bidding on something. Our hope is to continue to offer opportunities and resources for adults with autism, which right now, are very scarce.
RAPID FIRE WITH NEUROSPICY PLAYERS’ Dan Kassis
JHPENTERTAINMENT: From the bio Cat provided as I began researching to chat with you all, I learned that you, like Cat were recently diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum. How has learning this information at this stage in your life helped you?
DAN KASSIS: More than anything, learning I have ASD has helped me accept those things about myself that I have tried to change or “fix” for most of my adult life. The goal now is to learn to thrive with my particular neurotype rather than fight against it.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: You’ve been a Nashvillian since 2001, having spent the early part of your life in your native California. What prompted you to relocate to Music City?
DAN KASSIS: We moved here from Sacramento (like Cat did!) because of a downsizing at my job there that deleted my position. From that day, it only took about four months to arrive in the Nashville area. I got a job with LifeWay Christian Resources. They moved my family and me here.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: As an actor, what’s been the most rewarding aspect of being on stage in front of a live audience?
DAN KASSIS: I’m a big fan of the moment when everything comes together after all the hard work and preparation, and the show seems to come alive. You realize you and your fellow actors and crew are no longer working on a project. You’re part of a bigger thing. I have also loved working alongside some of our region’s most talented actors and learning from them.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: I understand you first were drawn to your love of drumming at an early age. Who are some of your drummer heroes and is there a piece within the NEUROSPICY PLAYERS: UNMASKED that you’re particularly enjoying performing?
DAN KASSIS: The drummers who have inspired me the most have all come from the jazz genre – Dave Weckl, Vinnie Colaiuta, Steve Gadd, Peter Erskine, Brian Blade, Elvin Jones, Buddy Rich. I also learn a lot from session players like Jeff Porcaro and Keith Carlock. I love “What Else Can I Do” from Encanto – I always enjoy playing anything with a Latin groove.
JHPENTERTAINMENT: What do you think is the biggest misconception about being on the autism spectrum?
DAN KASSIS: The biggest misconception is that “we’re all on the spectrum.” No we aren’t! There are neurotypical people and neuro-atypical people. If we were all on the same spectrum, I don’t think autism would be considered a disorder. You don’t have to claim to be on the same spectrum as people with ASD to connect with them and and better understand them.
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Bucket List Productions’ NEUROSPICY PLAYERS: UNMASKED takes to the stage at Mills-Pate Arts Center on Friday, June 27 and Saturday, June 28. Each evening will begin with a Reception and Silent Auction at 6pm and show at 7pm. Immediately following the show there will be a talkback and Q&A with the cast. General Admission tickets are $20. For $100, there’s a cabaret table option (table for four nearer the stage). CLICK HERE to purchase tickets.
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